Major Investments in Science & Technology
Currently, there is no process for bringing forward new proposals to government for large-scale science investments such as building a major research reactor, a synchrotron light source, or a ocean research network such as NEPTUNE. Nor is there a coherent process for managing Canada's suite of Major Investments in Science & Technology (MIST), as they are known within government. MIST's are larger in scale than any of the current funding mechanisms available through CFI or other granting agencies.
Is there a need for a formal process for managing new MIST proposals? If so, what would it look like?
Would Canada benefit if a federal agency were mandated to oversee Canada's MIST portfolio to ensure that Canada's major facilities form a coherent suite that meets Canada's research needs?
Daniel Banks
Strategic Planning & Communications Officer
Canadian Neutron Beam Centre
National Research Council Canada
613-584-8298
Daniel.Banks@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
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MIST Scenario
So my first post didn't get a response... What if we change the question a bit to illustrate the situation?
Supposing that you wanted to build a major new research facility that will have many benefits for Canadian science and industry. Its a national-scale project that will be a resource for scientists all across Canada as well as contribute to the international community. In fact, it would make up an important gap in Canada's science portfolio and it seems to you to be aligned perfectly with the S&T strategy.
You do some ballpark estimates about it scale and cost: it would be too big for a university to easily handle, and it doesn't fit in any of the CFI or TRI-council funding competitions. That means it will require a special allocation of funds - approval from the federal cabinet, and line-item in the federal budget, and eventually an Act of Parliament.
So you talk to your local MP, who tells you that politicians will certainly want to know more precisely the expected benefits and how how much money this will cost before your proposal can seriously considered. Useful advice. But then you realize that to do a much more rigorous analysis of the design and costs, someone is going to have to put up substantial cash for a proper study. In other words, you need money to get money.
You talk to your fellow scientists who support it, but they can't use their grant money for this. You talk to your professional organization, who is supportive, but they can't afford do much more than organize a letter campaign.
Your talk to your university, but when it realizes that your proposal is national in scale, they tell you the government should handle the issue and it quickly gets lost among its other priorities. They'd rather have the government fund it as a scientific resource and the univerisities can pay an access fees that account only for university usage.
Industries tells you they support the idea, but putting out cash for a study on such a big project before it has wide support is risky. Besides, they can't afford to operate such a facility as part of their own R&D department. They'd rather have the government fund it as a resource for industry and each company can pay an access fee that accounts only for the costs of its own usage.
You realize there are several government science-based agencies and departments whose mandates overlap with the research areas of your proposed facility and approach them as well. You quickly realize that the involvement of multiple agencies is actually a difficulty, because it isn't clear which one of them should take a leading role. Further, they can't publicly support such a big idea without it seeming like lobbying. Their budgets are tight and to find the money they'd have to squeeze funds out of their own programs or request extra funds, which then might conflict with their own funding requests. They politely tell you they support the idea, but it isn't clear what they can do to help.
So then what do you do?
In this scenario, there's a need for various parties to look at the big picture and cooperate. This conference should be a time for big picture thinking. I'm looking forward to speaking with many of you.
Daniel Banks
Strategic Planning & Communications Officer
Canadian Neutron Beam Centre
National Research Council Canada
613-584-8298
Daniel.Banks@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
MIST
The important questions raised by Daniel Banks have, at least to some extent, been addressed by a working group composed of represntatives from NSERC, CIHR, SSHRC and CFI. Building on the work of the now defunct Office of the National Science Advisor, the working group produced a policy paper and accompanying handbook on the establishment, financing, oversight and management of MIST projects. Last year, the policy paper and handbook were submitted to the Minister of Industry and have apparently been examined by the Science, Technology and Innovation Council (STIC), but no response has been forthcoming.
Daniel Banks is, I think, correct in saying that the various parities need to look at the big picture and cooperate, but cooperation does not seem to be the major stumbling block. Rather, in the absence of a national policy, no one seems to know how to push the ball forward.
MIST
Hi David,
Thanks for responding. The absence of a national policy was, I think, the point of my first post. My impression is that the current policy paper on managing MIST projects is actually a scaled down version of was the Office of the National Science Advisor was proposing, with a shift of focus toward oversight and governance of individual facilities rather than specifying a national policy that views the Canadian science scene as a whole and evaluates or assists proposal of new major facilities in that context.
In any case, maybe we can chat about this more next week in person.
Daniel
Daniel Banks
Strategic Planning & Communications Officer
Canadian Neutron Beam Centre
National Research Council Canada
613-584-8298
Daniel.Banks@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
MIST
Hi Daniel:
You are perfectly correct in saying there is no national policy regarding MIST projects, and indeed the authors of the most recent policy paper were quite conscious that they were not proposing such a policy. I think the reason for this absence is simply the lack of a receptive audience. None of the of federal policitcal parties want anything to do with large scale science facilities. Until this changes, a national policy will not be implemented, or even given much thought.
The sad reality is that the same thing could be said about practically all science issues.
I would very much like to talk more about this, so yes let's see if we can connect.
Large-scale Science Investments - Major Facilities
There is certainly a need for a program of support for these major facilities, and I agree fully with the comments made by Banks about the MIST scenario. There is no obvious existing program to facilitate this kind of cooperative investment. As the manager of the Infrastructure programs I struggle with these challenges daily.
While CFI is one source of funding for major infrastructure needs, the envelope system for resource allocations forces academic institutions into deciding about whether to invest in a superstar researcher with a vital role to play in these major scientific facilities, or to allocate the finite CFI resources to multiple much smaller projects. that are institutionally focused. The temptation with the envelope restrictions is to make decisions that stretch the limited dollars available. I don't think there is a lack of appreciation for the challenge of how to create and operate major national facilities, nor an unwillingness to participate in a joint venture with multiple institutions and multiple industry partners. It is all about the money. Perhaps we need to identify a major facility need, enlist multiple institutional partners for support, and create the necessary critical mass to collectively support the project, outside of existing funding programs. Then speak with one voice for a program of support for such ventures.
The other challenge we now must face in choosing the major infrastructure investments to be made is the provincial matched funding. What do we do when CFI supports a major national innovation but our provincial funding partners do not. The direct provincial measureable impacts on jobs, buildings, profile may not be provincially based, but nationally and internationally based. The potential for stranded projects is great, and the impact on major national facilities funding and infrastructure development will certainly suffer if there is no source of funding for major national-scale project facilities outside of the existing infrastructure programs.
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